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With Profits Explained

Let’s look at why investors invest, how they understand risk, and how with profits are contrived to sell to that fear.

Investors invest to seek a decent return over and above inflation. In the 22 years from 1987 to 2009 cash only returned 28% more than inflation. (1)

As most investors are not fully explained risk and how it can impact them negatively or positively, they are reliant on the ‘adviser’ who is wheeled in front of them to explain that.

Unfortunately for the average investor there is very little investment expertise available and investment advice can be offered by most advisers with no specific investment qualifications. Most advisers pass minimum levels of qualifications but are allowed to advise freely on complex areas such as investments.

The result is that the advice is very much at a ‘product’ and ‘commission’ level. Banks, all of a sudden decided they were investment advisers and this ‘product sale’ exploded.

A third of all complaints to the ombudsman last year were against just three of the UK’s banks. More than half of all complaints came from eight banks alone. Indeed banks and their subsidiaries command the first 14 places in terms of the amount of complaints.(2) Well done.

More than 63% of all complaints were against these 14 banks and 37% from the remaining 99,986 firms (of which quite a few banks were still in there) 79.14% of all complaints upheld on the ombudsman’s website were against banks, building societies or their subsidiaries. Less than a quarter of 1% of the complaints were against Independent Financial Advisers.

The Lloyds group must be over the moon with grabbing three of the first eleven places for the total amount of complaints -but their adverts are catchy and nice.

And so commoditised speedy product sales have been exposed. With profits are indeed a symptom of this commoditised ‘advice’ process.

In order to ’sell’ to a customer; this product is designed as a lower risk vehicle but it is not. Think of this in its simplest form of two comparative pots. A managed fund and a with profits fund.

A managed fund is designed to beat inflation but decrease risk by diversifying across different assets such as property, equities, fixed interests and cash. A with profits fund invests in exactly the same assets.

The difference between the two as far as an investor is concerned is that every day the value of your managed fund changes, whereas the with profit bond ‘apparently’ does not. The actual return you receive from a with profit bond is based on what an actuary tells you he is going to give you from the returns they are making.

Both the managed fund and with profits are invested in virtually the same manner. A with profits would like to be invested the same as a managed fund, but they are restricted because of the ‘guarantees’ or ‘vague promises’ they have to give to other policyholders, so often have to sell out of equities when they have already fallen, and buy them back after they have already risen. Disaster.

With a managed fund you always know what your plan is worth, but with a with profits plan, the actuary holds back your returns and gives them to you over the years.

The idea is that they are supposed to protect you from downsides but that was exposed as nonsense the first time they were put under any sustained pressure. Think about it once again from its simplest form:  A with profit bond cannot pay you out any more than the fund it’s invested in performs, so by definition it has to under perform.

The golden ticket they used to wave was the protected downside but when the market fell, with profit funds simply applied a market value reduction to reduce the value of your with profit bond back to what you would have received if you had a managed fund. So it’s ‘heads the insurance companies win, tails they win’.

I’ll bet you have never seen them marketed or explained like that. But 8% commission every bond is hard to miss.

For a free initial check on your with profit plan call Peter on 0845 230 9876, e-mail info@wwfp.net

Source
(1)lipper
(2)financial ombudsman

Civil rights fears over Cornwall schools terror watch

From the BBC website.

“Civil rights group Liberty has questioned the value of an anti-terrorism plan in Cornwall schools.
The county council is holding a £3,500 conference to train secondary schools teachers how to spot children who might grow up to become suicide bombers.
It follows a presentation from police to the council’s Standing Advisory Council on Religious Education.
The council’s religious education advisor said curbing violent extremism should be “core to education”.

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“This ancient Borough is at a crossroads and in some state of decline. It deserves to have a great future, but very often those making important decisions which affect us all, do so with little commercial acumen; sometimes, they simply fail to see the area’s true potential. The Network has been established to represent business people in the area and we very much hope you will join us.”

PZ chat – Alec and Andrew

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